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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1046
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:09:00 -
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Primary Me wrote: Is it simply risk v reward,
yes
Primary Me wrote: or more complex than that?
no
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1047
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Posted - 2013.03.06 11:51:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Ok so while issler was in CSM 7 we got the mining barge buff.
If there was any one change that purely encouraged the "**** it, just stay in highsec forever" mentality, it was the barge buff. At best, anyone who supports the buff they got is as FYGM as it gets, and at worst they're dumber than mud.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1049
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Posted - 2013.03.06 22:18:00 -
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Kestrix wrote:Null sec is already better than hi sec for industry. You can build anything in Null. Sure there is risk involved and the logistics (which are not hard) can be annoying at times. The only thing Empire has over Null sec is the trading hubs.
Yeah, just the trading hubs. CONCORD protection and non-flippable NPC stations with tons of manufacturing AND research slots AND 50% refineries all in one stop aren't an advantage at all. Nor is the fact that these slots cost such a pathetically small amount of isk that calling it a pittance would be making it sound higher than it is. Nope, no advantage there at all, it's just the trade hubs. Thanks for that, guy whose only experience with null is reading some NPC corp shirtlord's GD posts!
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1049
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Posted - 2013.03.06 23:01:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:2% refining implant, and a 40% station [i think it was a 40% station i was using...] will still give you lossless refining on any ores you can use t2 crystals for. so 50% refining stations aren't really an advantage.
The "in one stop" was the important part of that sentence.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1055
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Posted - 2013.03.10 10:29:00 -
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Josilin du Guesclin wrote:If the alliances is rich and the pilots poor, payout some of the funds. If the reverse, raise taxes, charge membership fees, or something like that. It's not rocket science.
What do you do in case of "alliance poor, players poor" or perhaps "alliance rich, players fine but anyone who isn't turning gray bars red has alts in highsec making their money because industry in null borders on impossible without personal JF's and tons of capital for POSes and even then you're still better off in highsec"? The latter one is also known as "the entire reason this discussion is happening".
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1063
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:22:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Spoiled brats is what i call that , how i'd love to see null returned to it's state in 2004 just to show you how 'easy' they made it for you.
Protip: This *might* have more impact if you weren't saying it to someone from an alliance who conquered large swaths of space in the south without jump bridges, jump freighters and a handful of carriers at best.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1063
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:27:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Let's forget who tagged along shall we , you did it allllll on your own.
You mean more alliances who didn't have jump freighters or jump bridges?
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1224
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Posted - 2013.04.09 16:30:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:Null sec's industry should be as good as the residents can make it - and that is EXATLY what is going on now.
How good do you think any industry can be when you lock out all your stations and kill everything not blue.
Nullbears have all the tools they need to make a success ful industry base - they choose to do other things.
They are getting exactly what they are giving to the effort.
You could've just said "hey guys, I have no idea about anything beyond highsec but I'm going to give you my barely thought out opinion anyway" and saved yourself some typing.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1225
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Posted - 2013.04.09 19:18:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:I could have said anything - I chose the truth.
Should have expected the default "he's never been to null" reply. Pretty much the extent of some individuals' ability to argue a point. Give all the opinion you want, the fact is some of you guys just aren't creative enough to make it happen the way you think you want it to work.
If all you can come up with in the face of this issue is suggesting that manpower is the problem and not the lack of actual industrial capacity (which we cannot do anything about, given the extreme crappiness of outposts), you don't deserve much of an answer beyond pointing out the obvious - you've never been to null, never lived in null, and as such have no idea what you're talking about.
At least, that's what I hope. If you'd been to null and still came up with that load of nonsense, that might be descending into learning disability territory.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1225
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Posted - 2013.04.10 18:16:00 -
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GUYS THE FLAW IN YOUR "PLAN" IS THAT IT REQUIRES AFFECTING SOMEONE NOT YOU GEEZ
- Totally not some random highsec publord
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1225
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Posted - 2013.04.10 20:06:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:I am ok with null getting more slots. I don't understand why that's so wrong.
Telling someone you use highsec because it's more profitable for you, but you don't want to because its unfair that highsec has a better market than null is, well, ********.
Sorry you feel that way.
Here's what you're missing:
Even if you give null all of the industrial capability of highsec tomorrow - all of the build and research slots and refining capability, you know what you have? Highsec but with way more risk due to it being null. There would still be no reason at all to build ANYTHING short of supers in null.
That's the problem. Not just that nullsec is miles short of being capable of building for itself, but that highsec is literally perfect. Tons of slots of all kinds that are basically free to use, easy access to trade hubs, and CONCORD protection to boot. That can't be beaten, and nullsec, in theory, should be able to beat it due to the whole risk->reward thing.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1225
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Posted - 2013.04.10 21:03:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Poor highsec. Poor Empire.
Damn those industrial superstars and market gurus ruining everyone else's fun..
So now you've reached that "troll or ********" stage. Congratulations, that's pretty much endgame for highsec posters in this thread!
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1225
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Posted - 2013.04.10 22:37:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:[While you can grow your own vegetables, your little fruitstand is not the produce section of a grocery store.
It just isn't.
Exactly the problem. With the current game mechanics, null simply cannot ever progress beyond fruitstand. It's got nothing to do with cunning, guile, ambition or even isk. The mechanics simply do not allow it. This means CCP are telling people they should spend trillions invading, developing and defending null space so they can have little more than a fruit stand when the highsec supermarket is open for business and free to use.
If you don't see a problem with that, then we're right back to the "trolling or ********" part.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1225
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Posted - 2013.04.10 23:15:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:But you were a bit too quick to jump into ZOMG NOES RL COMPARISON BECAUSE OF WILD WEST COMMENT to see that we're essentially on the same page 
No, we're not on the same page. Your idea, pie in the sky as it is, has the endpoint at literally being highsec. Why the hell would anyone bother moving to an area of space, spending trillions in conquest and development and defense, simply to end up with a pale imitation of highsec?
That's the problem with any idea that requires leaving highsec alone - it's neglecting the fact that highsec isn't just 'better' or 'safer', it's perfect. At best, any kind of buff would be attempting to compete with perfection, and that's just never going to work.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1225
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Posted - 2013.04.11 01:28:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Or maybe it's not worth taking what other people have anymore.
That part does keep happening, though.
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